Thursday, July 12, 2012

common core math

Lisa Nielsen (@InnovativeEdu)
7/11/12 4:45 PM
Thot @DataDiva said the #CCSS assessments wld be better than what we now have. This doesn't look better vsb.li/8mY1GR #edchat

i love Lisa.. had to capture her convo on this...






 CTE faded away in NYC when regents were forced upon all who wanted a HS diploma. More time for  tests means less time for CTE
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 It's a carrot if other options are not presented or available.
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Common Core State Standards - The precursor to testing the crap out of kids 
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 ccss has the ability to eliminate cte. But, these programs shd absolutely give more than one way to prove mastery.
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 It's not an absolute, but you must do as someone else says or you don't get the carrot. Call it what you might.
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 Schools don't push and encourage curriculum or tests. Do them or you don't get that shiny piece of paper out the end.
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 Most kids don't have a choice to opt out of classes if they want the prize society tells them they need.
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 There shd be more than one road to and type of diploma.
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 You can play w/semantics, but folks want a diploma and they are forced to do these things or be seen as a loser.
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 My problem as I shared is that with me force doesn't work. Nor do textbooks, teachers, tests. Bad environment for my learning.
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 nothing that I found useful, meaningful, relevant, etc. My learning happened when I escaped school. I'm not all, but not alone.
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 have to stop thinking kids need 2 b forced. School system is making it that way. Not kids fault they work for sticks & carrots.
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 being pushed, encouraged, and fostering buy in is very different than being forced.
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 School models empowering youth shd be allowed to be public. Montessori, Reggio, Democratic, etc. They'll figure it out if allowed
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 Make it legal and let the rest follow. They don't let that stop the implementation of 
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 Remember, I was the good honors student who hated every minute and learned nothing.
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 And what abt all the students like me who don't learn fr teachers, tests, textbooks. There shd be options.
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 Also, as you know, students don't need teachers to learn. A motivated student learns in many ways.
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 Who owns the learning? Students are forced to sit in classes the find boring / irrelevant. Not necessary.
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 I never said don't expose. I said don't force. Also, we cld never learn everything but if a student has a passion, let them follow
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 The PD wldn't be hard. These schools have it. What support do parents currently get? This would be a "choice" for them.
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 Public ed won't even fund Democratic schools. Changing that wld be a start.
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 When we let students opt out offerings need to take into account student wants, desires, requests.
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 A student should be able to opt out when they find what they're learning is not helpful to them. Works in settings that allow it.
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 Why are standards created by publishers and politicians everyone's foundation? Why can't that be customized?
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 Students would not choose not to learn. They would choose to learn what they cared about.
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 Glad you do. Teachers & principals I speak to are sick over doing things they know hurt kids & make them sick. My faith has limits
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 I'm not saying options shouldn't be provided. I AM saying they shouldn't be forced.
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 INever heard of an unschooled or democratically schooled kid who didn't learn to read. They ALL choose to learn what they need.
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 If given the choice few wld choose not to read. You must up your faith in kids. They want to learn what they care about.
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 No. I wasn't able to opt out of math or Am history. I was forced to take it, be tested on it & I walked away knowing none of it.
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  I disagree. I don't want to be forced to know it OR be assessed. Offer it up, sure. Many wld still just say no.
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 Understood, but we as educators must rail against this BS and disable the politicians / publishers fr using kids as pawns
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 Knowing this should be a choice, not forced. Folks like me would NEVER choose this and that's okay. I'm pro choice for ed.
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 Because we are different and many wld rather focus on what we care abt, are interested in, & find relevant to our lives.
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But  , I really want to know why you think EVERYONE needs to know this  I don't & I don't want to
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  Digitizing crap doesn't change the fact that it's crap. Assessment can/shd be done in the classroom by a teacher.
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Haha!    Sample questions are not test samplers. Really? Gov inst contradicts itself. Shocker!
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 Say what you want, but a  sample question sure as heck looks like an assessment to me & that slice of it sucks.
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 I'll take it further & say not everyone needs the same skill set.
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 They are common core sample questions. They are assessments. And, why don't we know them & why aren't educators more involved?
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Why not have standards that are abt helping people achieve personal success rather than abt subjects?  
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What is objectionable abt  is 1) The standards come w/these tests 2) Everyone needn't know the same things 
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 Another thought. Support students in developing a learning team. If not parents, support them in asking others.
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 I cldn't pass that test, yet I have a career. These tests are BS & the kids suffer.
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Thot  said the  assessments wld be better than what we now have. This doesn't look better  
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