Friday, February 19, 2010

clay shirky interview

part of  These are part of my Conversations.net 
and FutureofEducation.com interview series.


just notes...

  • Will Richardson: the "group forming" thesis is easy for people to get their brains around.
  • crowd sourcing open source
  • ohn in NZ: Moody and other keynoters at the Free Open Source Conference in Wellington made great points about this approach having utility outside the world of software development,
  • i don't think the group forming advantages of the current media can in happen in ed.
  • it's something that will change the user
  • need to provide places for group learning
  • whatever the advantages of collaborative learning, the basic fact - is that it is a profound challenge to the idea that ed is a set of individual minds.
  • for 100 yrs after the printing press it broke more things than it fixed
  • easier to start from scratch outside the monastery -
John in NZ: Educon 2010
The Axioms
1. Our schools must be inquiry-driven, thoughtful and empowering for all members
2. Our schools must be about co-creating — together with our students — the 21st Century Citizen
3. Technology must serve pedagogy, not the other way around
4. Technology must enable students to research, create, communicate and collaborate
5. Learning can — and must — be networked

go grassroots...

Will Richardson: I wonder if new ways of credentialing are imminent and if that might be the driver to a "new" system
  • we had the rhetoric of personal tools since the 60's.
  • asked of shirky - if changed book - what would you change? he'd leave out network to politics - because doesn't resonate with more people
  • would have honed in more on people's group experiences
  • use more examples - omnipresence and mobile access afforded by phones of all sorts
  • phones are on the present, sms is enough
  • twitter - power of rapid low band with high grade connectivity
  • Pierce Presley 1: We need to remember that, per a report in WaPo today, fully a third of Americans don't have Internet access
  • ubiquity isn't just 80% better - completely different -
  • Fleep: 98% of our students have cell phones though
  • John in NZ: Here is an example of live back channel monitoring of an event based on SMS messages:  (Python Convention in Atlanta)
  • filtering - buzz - david warlick posted - too many channels
  • for shirky - stopping buzz was a filtering issue
  • sms is to say i love you
  • access to more info doesn't mean you get more - it means you need to be more choosie
  • a rant about women
  • 40 years into the internet as of last oct.... we're in the log growth now...

the divide i'm worried about isn't the digital divide - but the participation divide
it's not getting hold of the tech - but feeling comfortable being a participatory piece

how do we give people sense of participation, improve their ability to use tools for social value
  • Damianne President: "There's no such thing as information overload. There's just filter failure." - like that
  • the net is great for increasing collaborations for small groups
  • for large groups - you want to reduce the amount for people to be able to work together.
  • ie: wikipedia aren't collaborating - they're just adding to the pile and others are grouping.
  • once you get big - what info can i successfully ignore
  • Damianne President: "People aren't collaborating on Wikipedia. they're just adding to the pile and other people are integrating" - Clay ... I always have thought of wikis being collaborative by default ... makes me rethink
  • clay's ny expo - on filter failure
  • projects driven by intrinsic motivation
  • asking clay - who are you following - cricket timber 
  • leonard waks: Barabasi :LINKED
  • bursts
  • dave hickeys essays

what he offers to ed:
clay has a unique ability to see these changes and bring us to a different understanding

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