Sunday, June 30, 2013

Wikipedia contributors ‘should be proud’ | News | Times Higher Education

Wikipedia contributors ‘should be proud’ | News | Times Higher Education

tahrir square




42 minutes ago 

17 million Egyptians have flooded the streets and Tahrir Square to protest against the government of President Mohammed Morsi.

If just a few more Americans knew about the injustices committed by the U.S. government and were willing to do something about it, we'd be in the streets everyday.

Credit: Ahmed Harfoush





WOW! AFP's brilliant shot of protesters in #Egypt pointing laser pointers at hovering military helicopters! #cairo













reclaiming ed convo

http://atthechalkface.com/2013/06/28/no-schools-shut-down-that-opted-out-man-shut-down-that-opting-in/




6:30

http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/Taubman.html

930 - no school has been shut down because of opting out
10 - they can take a stand
12 min - pluralistic ignorance




3:04 - sounds like peter attia's tedmed

Seth's Blog: Thinking about money

Seth's Blog: Thinking about money

In our culture, making more money feels like winning, and winning feels like the point.

Saturday, June 29, 2013

adam bellow - iste keynote

http://blog.iste.org/closing-keynote/?utm_source=feedly




Adam starts at 22:30

i love to share

48:35 - remove the expectations, remove the bar
49:40 - don't standardize creativity

peter attia

Seth's Blog: Less for less

Seth's Blog: Less for less

Friday, June 28, 2013

angela maiers - choose to matter



imagine what Angela talks about here  - [esp at 11 min in to 13 min] - as the day, [rather than the last day of school for 12 hours, or 1 hour each week] 

Angela is spot on - we need to listen, support, and get out of the way with our ideology of strategy/meetings/plans... et al

12:40 -kids are not strategizers - they are solutionists

email

http://qz.com/97281/the-secrets-to-getting-important-people-to-email-you-back/

http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2013/06/random-inbound-email.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AVc+%28A+VC%29

Thursday, June 27, 2013

Five Future Trends That Will Impact the Learning Ecosystem | Edutopia

Five Future Trends That Will Impact the Learning Ecosystem | Edutopia

http://www.businessinsider.com/survey-how-young-people-use-phones-2013-6?op=1

hellen keller - hope


It is not blindness or deafness that bring me my darkest hours — it is the acute disappointment in not being able to speak normally. Longingly, I think how much more good I might have done if I had only acquired natural speech. But out of this sorrowful experience I understand more fully all human strivings, thwarted ambitions, and the infinite capacity of hope.

grazie Maria Popova
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/06/27/helen-keller-greatest-regret/

happy\ness - ness

http://nation.time.com/2013/06/27/the-happiness-of-pursuit/


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-learning-revolution/201306/how-the-pursuit-happiness-can-save-our-economy


new day

http://redefineschool.com/632/its-a-new-day/

Wednesday, June 26, 2013

tweets - homeschool, college

homeschool rising - tipping point:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201306/education-revolution-help-us-reach-the-tipping-point
and
http://www.naturalnews.com/040786_homeschooling_public_education_school_system.html



Dyslexia is not a disability, it's a gift http://t.co/XxMPV0pymE via @guardian / @sbkaufman


Twitter can't decide if the Texas Senate voted, which basically means all of us on Facebook are cluelessly waiting... http://t.co/2YeMdZUkkq

interesting.. no?


Tony Wagner (@DrTonyWagner)
6/25/13 6:52 AM
Voices of recent college grads: lots of regrets-overqualified for the jobs they have and unprepared for work world bit.ly/19yk2Wd

.. is the oath to individual and national prosperity in the era of global competition...

really..?
dang.

although i disagree heartily with the premise set in the first sentence of the executive summary (very beginning) - that 
      everyone knows ed is the path to individual and national prosperity in the era of global competition... 
(my disagreement is in how we are still defining ed, as evidenced in the goal being: competitive prosperity)

[funny - spell check changed - path - to - oath]

it is worth noticing how unhappy/unfulfilled many are who believe that goal - and seek that piece of paper.. even after 6 yrs - as if it was/is a blind oath..


very next paragraph on flying blind...
oh my..


everyone knows...
perpetuates that very flying blindness... no?


questions right after..
Will current government initiatives to make this data available (via some version of a college “scorecard”) make a difference in student behavior? What would motivate students to consider such information more seriously? 
ƒ Even if such data become reliably available, when do students need to access this information for it to make a difference? Is it needed in high school—and is college therefore too late? If so, what does that imply about the focus of reforms? 
ƒ Should colleges and universities take bolder steps to track and publish such data voluntarily in order to stem the drive for new laws and regulations that may place unreasonable burdens on them and create unintended consequences?
the point is... there is no sufficient/lasting/legit data..
claiming such.. again.. perpetuates flying blind.. as well as cheating (as a means of survival .. or not). esp by institutions



so - data group - was all from chegg customers?
________________

I don't attend conferences to learn, I attend them to make f2f connections so I can learn all year from all of you. #patue

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/wmchamberlain/status/349688622926147584

wonder how much kids feel that as a sentiment?
ie: i meet up 30 min a day - or whatever - to be known by someone - that i can then tap into 24/7

Tuesday, June 25, 2013

tweets - slow, human


swapathgami magazine (eng)

all in pdf’s – via Manish and Shilpa Jain – and walk out walk on – ness. [graphics link to issues in reverse order, ie: #10 is listed first]

In all this, we have no vision statements or convenient blueprints – except a desire to live slow lives in a world that encourages you to catch up; ..



Michel Bauwens (@mbauwens)
6/25/13 6:26 AM
4^ Intl Conference on Degrowth in Germany – Summer 2014 – Research and actions to consume less and share more degrowth.org/4-internationa…


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23028078


Richard Florida (@Richard_Florida)
6/25/13 6:51 AM
Are Cities Killing Their Creative Edge ...? - @planetizen -planetizen.com/node/63673










Clay Forsberg (@clayforsberg)
6/25/13 6:27 AM
@web20classroom @paulgenge But instead we insist on conformity, standardized testing, standards ... and anything to repress "their voices."


Shelley Krause (@butwait)
6/24/13 7:12 AM
Want to see what students do when given the opportunity to shape their own learning? Check these out: theteachingjourney.com/blog/?p=80 #comments4kids


Mother Jones (@MotherJones)
6/25/13 3:01 AM
We talk with @joseiswriting about his new film, getting to know his mother, and the limits of immigration reform. bit.ly/15xqSqS

his blockbuster New York Times Magazine article, "My Life As an Undocumented Immigrant," came out in 2011, Vargas has become, in his words, "a walking uncomfortable conversation," and his presence at the Romney talk was, well, sort of awkward.

Of course, it's only one story, right? It's only one mother, it's only one son, it's only one journey. There's always to me a universality—one of the things I learned early on as a journalist and a writer is that there's a universality in specifics. The more specific you get, the more universal it can be. And so I wanted to show that. I wanted to show the specificity and the complexity of this journey, the journey that I had and the journey that she had, and where we meet. And guess what? Where we meet is at a film. I mean, what the hell?

But no amount of success—whatever that means, quote-unquote success—no amount of success replaces the reality of being separated from my family for this long. And I didn't think until it literally stared me in the face, looking at her in the film, wrestling with myself and seeing her and seeing myself in her, that that's when the process starts. And again all I keep thinking about is, "My God, I'm one person going through this. How many countless people are going through the exact same thing?" The biggest equation here is the broken immigration system means broken families which means broken lives. That's what this is about. Let's take politics out of it. A broken immigration system means broken families means broken lives. That's what is at stake

This immigration bill is going to pass. We're going to have a bill. It's going to get through the Senate. I think the fundamentals are there and the foundation is strong and the bill is going to happen. The House is going to be trickier, but I think it's going to happen there too. But guess what? Giving people like me a green card, a passport, and a driver's license? That's not going to be the end of the immigration conversation and debate in this country. It's like saying we elected Barack Obama president, so all of the racial problems are done. Right? I mean in some ways, the immigration conversation is just starting. Which is why when we started this campaign, we didn't call it Define Immigrant, we called it Define American. That's the question. That's what's at stake.

about. But I am a human being, so therefore I am not illegal. That's also a fact. That's why language is really important. To this day, I can't understand how the New York Times and Washington Postcan justify it.

exactly.. let's clump it.. and go for that.. no?

As a journalist, I don't have to agree with you to talk to you. My job is to figure out why you think the way you think. I want to get to the root of why you think the way you think. That's what I find most fascinating as a storyteller


Copy Editor
Ian reports on immigration, sports, and Latin America for Mother Jones. Got a comment or a tip? Email him: igordon [at] motherjones [dot] com. RSS | TWITTER





Joel Malley (@joelmalley)
6/25/13 6:28 AM
I created this video last night as a personal intro for NWP's #clmooc.vimeo.com/69074134

making every second count..
slow down rather than play catch up...


Fast Company (@FastCompany)
6/25/13 4:36 AM
Tour Google’s New Dublin Campus, A Playground For Nerdstrib.al/HNKZ0Wf


oh my.



Monday, June 24, 2013

tweets - people







Steve Matthews (@docsmatthews)
6/21/13 7:26 PM
Innovators learn more through failure Can education adapt? @ericaswallow @DrTonyWagnerflip.it/YVMDm RT @dennisonharris

John Hagel (@jhagel)
6/24/13 7:07 AM
Those who share to learn and teach will be richly rewarded - important perspective from@jobsworth bitly.com/11VRUpI


ReachScale (@ReachScale)
6/24/13 6:43 AM
3. The rise of the device economy: 4 New Ways That #Innovation Will Disrupt Your Organization@Forbes forbes.com/sites/haydnsha…-

huge.
imagine chip that let's you pick your device, and pick/create/design/co-create the functionality of it as well.

David White (@daveowhite)
6/24/13 7:07 AM
Are we more likely to anthropomorphise technology if we don't understand it?

ascribe human form or attributes to..

Wired (@wired)
6/24/13 7:00 AM
Step inside Jack Dorsey's brain:bit.ly/10LQST7
Dorsey’s design philosophy prizes technology that fades into the background. He prizes transparency and utility in the service of connection—themes common to the products of both his companies, Twitter and Square.
“At the core, we want to make it excessively easy to come together,” Gorman says.
Ways of coming together range from an open office floor plan dotted with “cabanas” for informal chats and work sessions to the practice of taking notes on any meeting involving at least three people and posting them to a hub where anyone in the company can access them.
companies can go to japan.. but we can't get kids out on the streets

Bryan Alexander (@BryanAlexander)
6/24/13 7:03 AM
Web searchers aren't really interested in privacy, according to DuckDuckGo numbers:searchengineland.com/duck-duck-go-p…

Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep)
6/24/13 7:08 AM
If you think online/offline works as either/or (ppl mobilize offline, not online, etc), you aren't going to get Gezi or 21st century.

Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep)
6/24/13 7:12 AM
,@academicdave Amazing people still tell me that the "real mobilization happens offline." 1. Untrue 2. Analytically so deeply wrong.


Elizabeth Stefanski (@elithechef)
6/24/13 7:11 AM
Single artist outshines an army of government planners. (via @Upworthyupworthy.com/dont-laugh-but…



perhaps great advice for all gatherings.. imagine if we went by these for school..
Don't stay in a conversation you have already had. 

Austin Kleon (@austinkleon)
6/24/13 7:25 AM
Fella named Allan did a blackout last night while waiting to get his book signed.instagram.com/p/a8XrmWA143/


Sunday, June 23, 2013

tweets - conversations matter



Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof)
6/22/13 6:30 AM
Inc Snowden, Obama admin has charged 7 w/ leaking secrets to press, vs 3 for all prior presidentsnyti.ms/19c63Zk

imagine if just a tiny percentage of this time/energy/resources/money/people/etc were spent instead on free access to global wifi.

perhaps we would already have 7 bill people.. truly free to choose their day. ie ahumanright et al.

imagine just the time/energy/resources/money/people/etc already marked to spend.. the next 30ish years on snowden alone

we have all we need.
indeed.

if we just wake up to our pluralistic ignorance..
no..?


HuffPostEducation (@HuffPostEdu)
6/22/13 6:30 AM
Students are warming up to virtual educationhuff.to/19rItHc

Students are warming up to virtual education, but according to a new study, they still believe it's easier to learn in a traditional classroom.

indeed.. as we found 4 yrs ago.

huge distinction however..
it probably is easier to learn in traditional classroom if from prescribed/compulsory curriculum..  don't quite have the grit to do it on your own - if the topic isn't your choice

game changes completely if authentically per individual choice/curiosity.. changing every day... 
so - this new study - as with most - not really taken from a good data base.., it's more insight from how to learn/memorize what other people want you to, than on how to learn
[must note: i doubt authenticity and agency will ever want to abandon f-to-f, classrooms maybe, but not f to f]


Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep)
6/22/13 6:36 AM
.@DziDix If the police only responded with tear gas to that, there would be nobody who objected. I witnessed large, peaceful crowds gassed.


Love Honour Respect (@Halibutron)
6/22/13 6:35 AM
#photo
RT @AprilSteph21: RT @Powerful_Pics: Protester in #Brazil carrying cop that was hurt during riots in Sao Paulo pic.twitter.com/nvnKpP0EW6


nancyflanagan (@nancyflanagan)
6/22/13 6:37 AM
Ohio School Bans African American Hairstyles. "Control" implications here are repulsive.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/…


nancyflanagan (@nancyflanagan)
6/22/13 6:42 AM
Rich donors throughout world are now sending money to fund our charter schools. Why?dailykos.com/story/2013/02/…


It is getting to the point where the mark of international distinction and service to humanity is no longer the Nobel Peace Prize, but an espionage indictment from the US Department of Justice.

Who is it that promised to preside over The Most Transparent Administration in history, only to crush whistleblower after whistleblower with the bootheel of espionage charges?


Jennifer Sertl (@JenniferSertl)
6/23/13 7:13 AM
8) #recalibration : The Flight from Conversation nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opi… by@STurkle #a3r

With the young lawyers in their cockpits, the office is quiet, a quiet that does not ask to be broken.

a rebellion/solution to the institution of school/industrialism.. forced .. compulsory.. shamed.. quiet

We are tempted to think that our little “sips” of online connection add up to a big gulp of real conversation. But they don’t. E-mail, Twitter, Facebook, all of these have their places — in politics, commerce, romance and friendship. But no matter how valuable, they do not substitute for conversation.

oh my.. 
wondering if classroom conversation is part of original definition..
most of it... not conversing.. no?

As we get used to being shortchanged on conversation and to getting by with less, we seem almost willing to dispense with people altogether. Serious people muse about the future of computer programs as psychiatrists. A high school sophomore confides to me that he wishes he could talk to an artificial intelligence program instead of his dad about dating; he says the A.I. would have so much more in its database. Indeed, many people tell me they hope that as Siri, the digital assistant on Apple’s iPhone, becomes more advanced, “she” will be more and more like a best friend — one who will listen when others won’t.

important that we learn/want to share more of our databases... being known by someone, invited to exist...

WE expect more from technology and less from one another and seem increasingly drawn to technologies that provide the illusion of companionship without the demands of relationship. Always-on/always-on-you devices provide three powerful fantasies: that we will always be heard; that we can put our attention wherever we want it to be; and that we never have to be alone. Indeed our new devices have turned being alone into a problem that can be solved.

..it as “I share, therefore I am.” We use technology to define ourselves by sharing our thoughts and feelings as we’re having them. We used to think, “I have a feeling; I want to make a call.” Now our impulse is, “I want to have a feeling; I need to send a text.”

We think constant connection will make us feel less lonely. The opposite is true. If we are unable to be alone, we are far more likely to be lonely. If we don’t teach our children to be alone, they will know only how to be lonely.

So, in order to feel more, and to feel more like ourselves, we connect. But in our rush to connect, we flee from solitude, our ability to be separate and gather ourselves. Lacking the capacity for solitude, we turn to other people but don’t experience them as they are. It is as though we use them, need them as spare parts to support our increasingly fragile selves.

am a partisan for conversation. To make room for it, I see some first, deliberate steps. At home, we can create sacred spaces: the kitchen, the dining room. We can make our cars “device-free zones.” We can demonstrate the value of conversation to our children. And we can do the same thing at work. There we are so busy communicating that we often don’t have time to talk to one another about what really matters. Employees asked for casual Fridays; perhaps managers should introduce conversational Thursdays. Most of all, we need to remember — in between texts and e-mails and Facebook posts — to listen to one another, even to the boring bits, because it is often in unedited moments, moments in which we hesitate and stutter and go silent, that we reveal ourselves to one another.

from apr 2012

WikiLeaks (@wikileaks)
6/23/13 7:14 AM
WikiLeaks profile: Sarah Harrison wikileaks.org/Profile-Sarah-… #snowden
Miss Harrison has courageously assisted Mr. Snowden with his lawful departure from Hong Kong and is accompanying Mr. Snowden in his passage to safety.

first.. like copyright.. via James Bach.. once posted.. you are covered.
so then.. rather than alarm in exposing Sarah... exposure is a means to protect.. all eyes.. or at least some eyes.. know.

crazy irony? or my ignorance?
why then... right below..
cc


Don Tapscott (@dtapscott)
6/23/13 7:22 AM
I'll drink to that! The Coffee House: Social Networking in the 1600sow.ly/miFTM


What is your definition of leadership? (Let me be clear -- regardless of your title or where you live -- you are a leader of your own life. You need an operating statement -- your True North.)

huge:
Ben Grey (@bengrey)
6/23/13 7:31 AM
@chrislehmann Great point in your post. Are kids spending more effort working to understand the adults or in understanding the world?

Seth's Blog: Fearlessness is not the same as the absence of fear

Seth's Blog: Fearlessness is not the same as the absence of fear

Friday, June 21, 2013

tweets - politics/policy


Deb Mills-Scofield (@dscofield)
6/20/13 6:38 AM
new @JesseLynStoner The Value of Vision Series Shilpa Jain -  SEEing the Change Shilpa Jain “Is vision over-so... ow.ly/2xJXYb

layers of change: individual, communal and systemic.
much of activism is focused on stopping what is wrong and fire-fighting that few change-makers get the opportunity to visualize and articulate the world they are working to create.  At the Jams, we engage in a visualization of the world 25 years from now and invite people
Three vital transformations occur through the visioning process.
First, people find themselves united in their hopes and dreams.  ... Once it is seen, it can’t be unseen.  
Second, everyone finds that their work and contribution – and that of others – has value, because everything is essential for the vision to come true.  So, the need to make someone’s work better or worse, or someone’s strategy more or less important, melts away, and people begin to see the interdependence of all the different approaches.  Vision puts an end to competition and enables more collaboration and cross-pollination.
Third, and perhaps most significantly, the vision gives a context for the healing of historical divides, like race, class, gender, nationality, religion, sexuality, etc.  Invariably, the vision includes a world that works for everyone, in which each person is respected and included, in which each culture and community has a meaningful role to play, in which border patrols are lifted and violence has ended.  This vision provides a context for doing the hard work in the Jams of being honest with our grief, pain and anger — and working through it with vulnerability and love in community.  It helps support the kind of listening and (un)learning that is so vital for healing.  And THAT is what ultimately makes the unification sustainable for the long haul.
Shilpa is a coffee talker for idec.. yay.

Nando Stöcklin (@nstoecklin)
6/14/13 5:52 AM
Die Open Badges nehmen in den USA offenbar Fahrt auf:goo.gl/igsJR #playghd
verifiable credentialing...?

because you cam go to those previous mentors..?

verifiable...?

universities, massively open online courses (MOOCs), high-tech employers, and K-12 programs already use badges to certify skill acquisition. The Open Badges partners are committed to expanding the use of badges nationwide over the next three years so that one million K-12 and college students and one million workers will be able to use badges to advance their academic progress or further their career goals by being able to demonstrate acquired skills and learning

(same song second verse)?
or.. horse of another color

Nichole Pinkard, associate professor in DePaul’s College of Computing and Digital Media, said DePaul will consider Open Badges that document higher-level learning as part of the application process.
“Badges give you a better idea of who the applicant is. They give you a stronger sense of quality and a stronger sense of context of what that person has done in the real world,” Pinkard said. “While digital badges won’t replace anything we currently require, as they become more prominent and more recognized, we would expect more students to include them in their applications to DePaul. The applicant’s academic record will still be the most important consideration.”

Rovy Branon (@rovybranon)
6/21/13 6:55 AM
How Badges Really Work in Higher Education -- Campus Technologyht.ly/mfldu

I think I sprinted the entire article..


oh my..
gatekeepers.. lovingly, simply, .. be ready


Harvard University (@Harvard)
6/21/13 7:00 AM
Michael Dukakis '60 helps to teach session of @Harvard_Law negotiation workshophvrd.me/1acxznC
According to former Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis ’60, tackling most public policy challenges begins with the same steps.
“Make a list, create a working group,” Dukakis said. “Bring these folks together. See if you can at least begin by getting agreement on what the problem is. If you do that, you’re halfway to a solution.”
What’s a good negotiator to do in a situation like this? Make a list, Dukakis said. This list, he said, should include all of the individuals with an interest in the problem—business community members, representatives from all levels of government, media, private citizens and others.
The key players must then come together, he said—all of them, even the ones who cannot stand each other, “eyeballing each other around the table”—and work to build consensus.
But that’s just the beginning of the process. In the end, Dukakis explained over the course of the class, the Park Plaza proposal collapsed, the result of a failure by the key players to work together properly.
In successful working groups, Dukakis said, trust develops naturally when the parties listen to one another, care about others’ opinions and genuinely believe they are being respected. And at the conclusion of a successful working group, everyone involved should get an equal share of the credit for the result. As a result of such a process, those involved feel a sense of ownership over the project and will be willing to participate in the political legwork that comes next.
Cathy Davidson (@CathyNDavidson)
6/20/13 6:44 AM
#Unplug: Baratunde Thurston Left The Internet For 25 Days, And You Should Too By Baratunde Thurstonfastcompany.com/3012521/unplug…

Zac Chase (@MrChase)
6/20/13 2:45 PM
I wrote, "116/365 Find Something Interesting, Ask Questions." #edchatwp.me/p2Lj7H-Cp

thinking ..perhaps cc is one of our biggest roadblocks..

just that 
1. that was a first comment
2. Zac responds.. appropriate question
3. his response includes cc blah blah

all evidencing perhaps - what is taking most of our time and/or value

Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep)
6/21/13 6:54 AM
Erdogan giving another harsh rally speech. Blames, lemme see, protesters, NGOs, intl media, CHP, terrorists, artists, foreign conspiracies..

Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep)
6/21/13 7:06 AM
He even blamed the "standing man." RT @EdgeOfEurope@zeynep @monaeltahawy anybody left without blame?


nancyflanagan (@nancyflanagan)
6/20/13 6:38 AM
Gov’s "reform" agenda: threading the needle between school choice and protesting parents. -bridgemi.com/2013/06/mix-sc…

In the end, no one even applied to the IB diploma program. The district, however, still collected “about $320,000,” Matthews said.
“They have established the rules,” he said, “and we play by them. We met the requirement. We don’t feel bad about that.”

Deb Mills-Scofield (@dscofield)
6/20/13 6:38 AM
New by @fredwilson On Corporate VCs - Every once in a while I display some emotion publicly that I regret. That ha... ow.ly/2xJXYc

There are two kinds of corporate investments in startups; passive corporate VC arms and active strategic investments.
The former is made by well established investment groups like Google Ventures, Intel Ventures, SAP Ventures, Comcast Ventures, and many many more. For the most part, they don't "suck". They can be a good source of capital for your company, they can be supportive investors who follow on when the rest of the syndicate does, and they generally have good reputations, including with me.
The latter is when a company sees a business they want to get closer to, they take a big stake, a board seat, and they make a ton of promises about how much they are going to help the company. These type of investments and relationships have almost universally "sucked" for our portfolio companies. The corporate strategic investor's objectives are generally at odds with the objectives of the entrepreneur, the company, and the financial investors. I strongly advise against entering into these kinds of relationships.

Anya Kamenetz (@anya1anya)
6/21/13 7:03 AM
does the sharing economy have a shadow side?fastcompany.com/3013272/does-t…

Cameron Sinclair (@casinclair)
6/21/13 7:08 AM
Less than 2 hours to the biggest talk of my life. @AIANational convention keynote. 3000 people have signed up plus it will be televised.